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Rogers Responds To CRTC Net Neutrality Concerns: No Need for Disclosure Changes

Rogers has responded to the CRTC’s concerns regarding its Internet traffic management disclosure policies. The company says that there is no need to update its disclosure practices regarding downstream traffic.  It further questions why Rogers is being singled out for changing its disclosure policies, arguing that while it is true that upload traffic shaping may impact download speeds in some applications, that is the responsibility of the application provider, not the ISP. The company does offer a minor modification to its disclosure statement.

10 Comments

  1. That link does not point where you think it does…

    Or I’m really missing the connection.

  2. Michael Geist says:

    @Graham
    Thanks – fixed.

  3. It just so happens that “some applications” whose downloads are throttled are torrent clients. A complete coincidence, I’m sure.

    If they want to shape download traffic, that’s fine, as long as they fully disclose under what circumstances, and why, they do it. Then consumers can have the proper information that could effect whether they change providers, file complaints to get the policy changed, or change the programs they use. There’s anecdotal stories of legitimate software like World of Warcraft (which uses a torrent system to download updates) being throttled, but as it stands now, Rogers’ policy is simply “Trust us. We would never do that”.

  4. And what about Skype, Vonage, etc…. all Voice and Video over IP ?
    ah yes, all these services are cheaper than the one Rogers try to sell. Sorry.

  5. bandwidth
    Not sure about everyone else but I don’t see any downstream shaping on my connection. I do use old school IRC/FTP and my download speeds are great. One to one connection with the host though.

    Who uses Torrents still and why?

    I can understand the issue with World of Warcraft though.

  6. RE: Mtech
    Who generally uses IRC? 🙂 (I actually do use IRC, but it isn’t really a mainstream thing as far as I can see.)

    Torrents are good because they take the load off servers providing large downloads such as program updates or operating systems. They save this money that they can spend elsewhere. Plus, torrent programs have built-in integrity checkers so downloads are reliable. So yes, lots of people still use torrents. And as states, torrents aren’t the only thing throttled; there is also VOIP and other programs.

  7. Re: Eric L
    Oh well, i’m glad I stuck with IRC because I don’t face any issues. Easy to download the content you need if you know how to look for it 🙂

    Most program updates and OS updates don’t use Torrents as a application to perform those updates (or none that I use). Unless of course you are updating your Torrent application.

    As for Voip I can’t really comment on that, I only use Skype and it works great.

  8. Try pointing your P2P software to port 1720. That port is dedicated to voice over IP and is not monitored or throttled. Also encrypt your torrent header so that they can’t identify the type of traffic.

  9. Interesting wording. Technically accurate but could be very misleading as well.

    They could be simply shaping/throttling upstream packets, perhaps based based on packet size. Small packets (http requests, etc) wouldn’t be throttled, but large packets with a full payload would be.

    This would give the effect of a “poor/slow” uploader in the P2P application. That gets this client a lower priority when each of the other systems in the swarm decide to send a packet to another one in the swarm. In effect this client is “low man” on the queue for exchanging data with.

    I wonder what would happen with an artificially small MTU size set in the P2P application? Of course this would put more load on the network because of the increased header/trailer overhead, but it might also allow “full speed” uploads.


  10. @Derek: “There’s anecdotal stories of legitimate software like World of Warcraft (which uses a torrent system to download updates) being throttled, ”

    Every time this happens it eventually turns out that either Blizzard or AT&T were involved.

    Old history:

    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22179955-Connectivity-Comcast-and-World-of-Warcraft

    Recent history:

    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25286912-Lookin-for-a-bell-update-on-world-of-warcraft

    Nap.