Comments for UN Internet Meeting About Who Pays, Not Who Rules at http://www.michaelgeist.ca , comment 1 to 10 out of 10 comments http://www.michaelgeist.ca Sat, 25 May 2013 18:10:17 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49962 wait, we don't pay enough for Internet usage to our ISP's, here in Canuckada ? When the Internet becomes like TV and Radio,(aka big one-way sewer pipes), then we all just unplug and "shutdown -now", and start a brand new world Intenet2, (and WITHOUT these darn Captcha's pleeeeezzzz!) "... here's your new boss, not the same as the old boss..." Done. - rickster Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:38:37 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49908 Well, mostly aspirin (:-)) Seriously, though, in the physical networking world the suppliers have been basing their rates on the level of efficiency of analog telephony, so that 1 48 to 64 KB line can only support a single circuit-switched conversation. The same line doing packet-switching can deliver a lot more information, and much of that information is encoded a tiny bit more compactly than voice (ie, it's ascii). Unless they actually want to see their profits fall, they need to raise their rates, but tat the same time not be seen as acting in an uncompetitive way, by all raising them in concert. One wants to get someone else to do the raising, and the ITU looks like a suitable fall-guy. --dave - David Collier-Brown Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:55:08 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49881 What drugs are you on??? If the telecoms companies wanted to charge differently, why the help do they need the ITU involved??? They own the damned pipes! They can just charge differently! Don't sign the contract that says "peering", sign the one that says "charged by megabyte". What planet are you on that thinks the itu (despite their attempts or rhetoric) it is ultimately meaningless. If a country wanted to block YouTube? Pass a law that enforces this pricing model on its telcos, seriously why do they need the ITU for this? Come back to earth guys. It's not a horrible conspiracy to charge you money. - PeterA Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:15:01 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49874 If you think Heather`s story is neat,, two weeks ago my brothers father in-law basically made the small fortune of $4146 working 40 hours a month at home and their best friend's step-sister`s neighbour done this for three months and got more than $4146 part time at their pc. use the guidelines available at this link... Fox76.com - ClaudiaHauser22 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:37:54 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49857 Thanks for sharing this post.I got a lot from it. - Randy Guzman Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:52:39 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49848 We used to pay for time connected (minutes/month, or simply months)... Now we pay for lop-sided rates and throughput limits that neuter uploaders (would-be service providers). Next we'll pay for uploading and downloading seperately, with downloading likely cheaper (this proposal)... Might as well keep the cable when the only ones with transmitters are the big media conglomerates. No deal. Oh, and "quality of service" (QoS) is just a way censor the poor independent thinkers and keep tomorrow's inventors under the thumbs of today's monopolies. "On or off" is the only logic fit for Cyberia. - Grump Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:17:54 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49751 The OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) in it's report "Internet Traffic Exchange, Market Developments and Policy Challenges", http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/science-and-technology/internet-traffic-exchange_5k918gpt130q-en ... eposed the fact that the telcos are overcharging somewhat amazingly. Rick Falkvinge has been commenting on that yesterday and today: OECD: Telcos Overcharging By Five Orders Of Magnitude http://feeds.falkvinge.net/~r/Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy/~3/2Zj_L36836g/ Free Market Failure: Telco Profit Margin On Data Roaming Exceeds One Million Per Cent http://feeds.falkvinge.net/~r/Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy/~3/d4y5oKWyz0M/ Were I a telco, I would be very much interested in how much one pays, so as to get my profit margins back up where they are with telephony. --dave - David Collier-Brown Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:13:30 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49750 Internet traffic is not a physical commodity. Here is a link to a proposal I put forward, along with discussion and expansion that may have some value: http://openmedia.ca/forum/canadian-universal-internet-proposal . - Wiebe de Haas Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:58:53 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49749 I haven't checked recently on the relative proportions of different types of traffic, but while "sender pays" might make sense for things like email, it's completely wrong for things like websites and streaming music and video, where it's the receiver of most of the data who initiates the data transfer. - Chris Brand Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:42:10 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6709/135/#comment-49748 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2012-11/itu-wcit-dubai-acta&act=url - Joe living near Afghanistan Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:29:55 +0100