Comments for Lawful Access is Dead (For Now): Government Kills Bill C-30 at http://www.michaelgeist.ca , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.michaelgeist.ca Tue, 21 May 2013 18:53:14 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51854 my roomate's sister-in-law makes $64/hour on the computer. She has been out of a job for eight months but last month her pay was $16501 just working on the computer for a few hours. Go to this web site and read more http://www.bit90.com - pamela681 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:13:19 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51790 Annie, there was a time when I thought of it the same way. Noble projects that allowed secure, private messaging and content were built bu well meaning open source volunteers in the West so that people in totalitarian regimes could organize and get informed. Now the mere interest in privacy, including the use of these technologies, is seen by our own governments as reason for them to have elevated suspicion of us ("what have we got to hide?" we must be "with the pornographers" and so on). We have truly come to a Huxlian and Orwellian state where we use the net either amusing ourselves or going about our daily lives, all the while we have helped to build a dystopian world were we have effectively complete government and corporate surveillance, eventually of everyone. And that information will be used for their interests, not ours. I wish I could see a way out of this spiral. - Steve Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:25:20 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51788 We never have had any privacy online, we only had a general agreement among ISPs that they won't look at our traffic. What we've had all along is an ILLUSION of privacy; a very desireable illusion though, I think. If we now want to have ACTUAL privacy online then we'll have to take it ourselves, our governments and ISPs (who are in the content business) won't give it to us voluntarily. If the Internet is going to fulfill its promise of an open, equal access network, then it will be up to us to finish building that network. I mean by running TOR on it, so that all traffic is encrypted. Then it won't matter what laws any government passes. - Annie O' Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:47:15 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51786 My law professor once claimed that CSIS was monitoring all emails under the premise of national defence. So I'm inclined to believe that higher agencies are engaged in such monitoring behaviour. - Eric L. Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:11:35 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51785 Please correct me if the following is untrue... My understanding is that, while defeating or watering down bills and laws like C-30 makes it *seem* like we are limiting our own government from proactively spying on us without a judicial oversight, we have absolutely no protection from other governments from spying on us to the fullest degree of their ability. This then sets the stage so that friendly governments are free to cooperatively spy on each other's citizens, and then as as a quid pro quo among "security partners" share whatever information they so please. If this is true, then we must assume anyone online or using a phone is-or-can-be fully surveilled by the RCMP, CSIS, even perhaps local police forces without a warrant and without asking ISPs as long they can simply convince the US or UK to do so and share whatever they find. Thoughts? - Steve Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:43:16 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51784 "Fourth, Bill C-30 may be dead, but lawful access surely is not. On the same day the government put the bill out its misery, it introduced Bill C-55 on warrantless wiretapping. Although the bill is ostensibly a response to last year's R v. Tse decision from the Supreme Court of Canada, much of the bill is lifted directly from Bill C-30." Does the government need to invoke the notwithstanding clause (section 33 of the Charter) to do this? - Latrell Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:26:03 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51779 Wow, common sense prevailed...for about 5 minutes. A new record! - Eric L. Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:52:17 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51778 Quit celebratin'; it isn't over just yet. Sure, C-30's dead, but it has simply been reincarnated. This fight is not over. Start calling, writing, paying visits! http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5975313&File=4 - NoWayMo Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:45:07 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51777 We are in a situation where Stockwell Day's position was the moderate one which has been abandoned in favour of something more extreme. - Matt Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:55:20 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51776 They'll just change the name of it and try again. If that fails, they'll try again and again and again until it eventually passes. It will pass. Other major world governments have similar legislation on the books. Even if and when the conservatives are voted out the liberals will try again. It was the liberals that tabled this legislation in the first place. Just like in the U.S. the two parties are just different sides of the same coin. Same goal, different approach. - Kirk Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:37:06 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51775 we have an evil little Napoleon clone running this country. until hes gone freedom will be considered a crime! - Scott Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:09:08 +0100 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6782/125/#comment-51774 "Fourth, Bill C-30 may be dead, but lawful access surely is not." Doesn't that contradict the headline? Is there any evidence of police being refused a warrant when they ask for one with the some level of 'probable cause' in cases involving child pornography? If "time" is the only other factor, wouldn't it be more prudent to expedite the process in these cases? To me this legislation sounds like a typical case of "it's the terrurirsstss!" or "think of the children!!" while in reality a much darker, hidden agenda is being pursued. Why not pursue the Turbo Warrant process? A lot easier, a lot cheaper, a lot less likely to be abused and a lot less impact on the general public. - Byte Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:50:46 +0100