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More Misinformation on Bill C-22 as the Government Struggles to Defend Its Lawful Access Plan

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  1. I would really like a comparison to other countries in this space. UK has metadata retention and Technical access request process and the governing bodies for privacy oversight. Australia has the technical access but not meta data, USA has deeper access laws and state rules. Snowden showed how they do an end run and effectively break E2EE. It just feels like this is being looked at in a vacuum of Canada when really it should be a global, conversation. It’s a continuation of the battle on E2EE and the presumption of innocence vs criminal and illegal behaviour and how do we as a society want to limit our freedoms for the collective good. If we want to at all and what that really means.

    Even the media posts from corporate responses act like technical access requests don’t exist elsewhere. It’s just feels like a non serious conversation.

  2. Hi Professor Geist,
    Regarding the ostensible conflict between ss. 5(5) and 7(5), on one hand, and ss. 12 and 13, on the other hand, does the “presumption against tautology” not provide an answer? In other words, faced with interpreting these provisions, would a court not conclude that s. 12 is implicitly subject to s. 7(5), and therefore there is no conflict in practice?

  3. I would also like a comparison of what dictators, surveillances States and repressive regimes do vs what Canadian government is planning.

  4. Be curious my friends, ask why this Bill C-22 is.so important to the Government(s). Here is a hint…9/11 immediate Acts passed afterwards, PATRIOT ACT, Canada’s Anti-Terrorism Act, Budapest Convention(s), you will see how the past 24 years, all governments in Canada have been wanting to sign on to the Convemtion. In order to do so, they have to pass Acts within their own respective jurisdictions. Is a rabbit hole!

  5. The irony of Prof Geist accusing the government of “misinformation” only to casually toss out misinformation in the very same article.

    Prof Geist claims that the term “systemic vulnerability” is not defined in the bill, when in fact it is.

    Prof Geist also claims that the systemic vulnerability exception (ss. 5(5) and 7(5)) is “incompatible” with ss. 12 and 13, when in fact these provisions all work harmoniously and ensure this important exception applies for all regulations and ministerial orders.

    • Liberal cope bot but I’ll write this anyways.

      It actually doesn’t. The definition of systematic vulnerable is given such a lose definition it’s basically not defined at all. The definition on the bill is literally “as one that creates a substantial risk that secure information could be accessed by a person who does not have any right or authority to do so”. As Geist has said in the past the definition acknowledges there could be a problem but leaves it so vague that it’s all up to the regulators and regulations to define (which there are none as of last I looked). This means companies are not required to comply with regulations that introduce a vulnerability, but allows the government to issue such mandates in the first place, that’s not a good idea in just the amount of taxpayer money that will be wasted on the court proceedings … which brings us to point number two. He literally explains why they aren’t compatible, you going against an order which us illegal in Canada, otherwise non compliance against the gun grab would have been the answer, the problem is the government has the right what to decide and we have to follow, go look at the millions of dollars and hours spent on fighting the gun grab even though they said all of these safety things were in place to prevent law abiding gun owners into criminals, while that’s literally what happened due how terrible the buyback program was (timings and payments). They’ve already proved to us that the Carney government will take advantage of vagueness. The funny thing is the same liberals supporting this are some of the same ones that cried when Harper attempted to pull this, and at least his walls were tungsten instead of Carney’s wet paper walls lol

      • You can disagree with the definition or call it vague. Those are matters of opinion. But to say the bill “does not define” the term is just factually incorrect, and Prof Geist knows better than this.

        As for the supposed “incompatible” provisions in ss. 12-13, this argument rests on an incorrect interpretation of the provisions. It’s not clear to me why Prof Geist is erroneously insisting on it.

        • Prof Geist is sort of correct. While the bill does provide a definition of the term “systemic vulnerability” it also provides language that allows regulation to change that definition of the term, making the definition in the bill moot. In fact, the definition in the bill uses the expression “substantial risk”. Given that what you call a substantial risk and what someone else does most likely is not the same, whose definition of “substantial risk” is used?

          • The bill would allow cabinet to make regulations respecting, among other things, “the meaning of any term or expression for the purposes of this Act”. But legally, cabinet cannot override a definition set by parliament. If they did, the courts wouldn’t have it.

            More importantly, none of this gets around the simple fact that Prof Geist is peddling misinformation when he writes above that “The term ‘systemic vulnerability’ is not defined” in C-22. He is free to disagree with the definition, but he cannot claim it doesn’t exist.

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  7. Government officials must communicate about data collection practices with precision, as misleading analogies can result in public misunderstanding and reduce the seriousness with which privacy concerns are regarded wordle unlimited.

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